Comments on: The Past (Le passé, France-Italy 2013) https://globalfilmstudies.com/2014/05/01/the-past-le-passe-france-italy-2013/ An introduction to global film for teachers and students Mon, 03 Aug 2015 21:39:44 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: keith1942 https://globalfilmstudies.com/2014/05/01/the-past-le-passe-france-italy-2013/comment-page-1/#comment-1122 Mon, 12 May 2014 13:23:55 +0000 http://globalfilmstudies.com/?p=10221#comment-1122 Re ‘National Cinema’ – I was using the term in the sense that it is used in the original Towards a Third Cinema.
And there it follows on from the analysis of Franz Fanon. Whilst there are particularities regarding Iran, his general points about colonialism and neo-colonialism apply to Iran.
As I pointed out, this is not an isolated case – the Kiarostami films problems have parallel lacunae.
I think western critics tend to treat both directors as auteurs, but both are [or at least were] sited in a particular context.
‘Personal morality’ does suggest the auteur. I think that A Separation was more about a social situation. I heard a broadcast on Radio 4 this week by an Iranian writer, and the description of life in Iran matched that of the film. And I think Kiarostami’s Through the Olive Trees is more about Iranian relations that just about filmmaking.
And I think one can identify further examples in Latin America and in Asia.

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By: Roy Stafford https://globalfilmstudies.com/2014/05/01/the-past-le-passe-france-italy-2013/comment-page-1/#comment-1110 Sun, 11 May 2014 09:46:40 +0000 http://globalfilmstudies.com/?p=10221#comment-1110 In reply to keith1942.

As I try to point out in the book, the concept of ‘National cinema’ is slippery and I’m not sure it is helpful as such. On the other hand, the situation in Iran is now almost unique. Those Iranian directors whose Iranian-produced films get seen in the international marketplace and at home have had to find ways of working through metaphor/allegory and various other aesthetic devices. Farhadi does seem to produce very similar scripts for each film and the difference in the French production is that the characters don’t have the same fears about what the rest of society will think of their actions as they might do in a similar set of circumstances in Iran. This throws more emphasis on questions of personal morality. In that sense I don’t think it would be different for Farhadi if he was making the film in the UK, Spain or the US. Having said that, there are specific social issues in France that I discussed in the blog post.

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By: keith1942 https://globalfilmstudies.com/2014/05/01/the-past-le-passe-france-italy-2013/comment-page-1/#comment-1094 Fri, 09 May 2014 13:26:54 +0000 http://globalfilmstudies.com/?p=10221#comment-1094 Hi Roy, I didn’t understand your second point?
Re the comparison with earlier films – language is likely a factor but it strikes me that the politics of a different industry are important. And this is not just regarding Farhadi, which is why I mentioned Kiarostami. This is ‘Third Cinema’ territory. I don’t think either are strictly in that category, but their Iranians films certainly fall into the National Cinema category.
There is seem to be different but parallel problems when [say] European filmmakers move into what is effectively Hollywood production. The differences between Steve McQueen’s Hunger and his two subsequent films is interesting.

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By: Roy Stafford https://globalfilmstudies.com/2014/05/01/the-past-le-passe-france-italy-2013/comment-page-1/#comment-1092 Thu, 08 May 2014 23:54:53 +0000 http://globalfilmstudies.com/?p=10221#comment-1092 In reply to keith1942.

I agree that this film possibly lacks some of the emotional power of the earlier films but I’m not sure about your reasoning as to why this might be the case. It might simply be that he is working in a language that he doesn’t understand (he had to work through an interpreter) – and loses something in the process. Regarding your second point, I think that I tried to express that in my comments about not working through metaphor and allegory. Certainly the characters don’t have to ‘appear’ to be behaving in particular ways in the French context and moral questions become more ‘personal’ than societal?

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By: keith1942 https://globalfilmstudies.com/2014/05/01/the-past-le-passe-france-italy-2013/comment-page-1/#comment-1089 Thu, 08 May 2014 09:42:09 +0000 http://globalfilmstudies.com/?p=10221#comment-1089 I thought this was an excellent film but that it lacked the power of the two earlier films by this director which came from his native Iran. I tend to think that directors from oppressed peoples [just note the actions of the USA and its lackeys] who move into the International arena lose something. I thought the same about recent films by Abbas Kiarostami.
A Separation and About Elly struck me as having an immense emotional power that drives home the critical treatment of characters. The same themes appear in this new film, adults and children, lies and the past,… but they seemed more detached.

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By: Leeches Film (@leechesfilm) https://globalfilmstudies.com/2014/05/01/the-past-le-passe-france-italy-2013/comment-page-1/#comment-1079 Mon, 05 May 2014 10:54:39 +0000 http://globalfilmstudies.com/?p=10221#comment-1079 Wonderful post on a wonderful film – thank you!

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